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Saturday 23 March 2013

17 interesting Facts about PF (Provident Fund) act in India!!


In this post, I tried to answer some of the most frequently asked question regarding PF (Provident Fund) act. Hope this post will help you to get some of your concern regarding said Act. I would suggest that you should go through my post Fundamentals of PF act in India to get a fair idea about PF act first. I would appreciate if you share other queries in your mind through comment section so that I can add them in my upcoming post which will be continuation of this post.



FAQ 1 : Do employee joining a new company should be made member of PF, if he exceeds PF prescribed limit i.e. Rs 15,000/-?


This is most frequently asked question regarding PF. It actually depends upon some facts. 

Below are some cases and action which should be taken:

Case 1: Employee was not the member of PF in previous company—In this case you can exclude him from PF eligibility, provided his Basic +DA is more than prescribed limit of Rs 15,000/- in your organization. In case employee still wants to be member of PF and both employee and employer agree then employee can also be made member of PF.

Case 2: Employee was member of PF in earlier company—In this case, you cannot exclude him from PF.

Case 3: Employee is fresher: In this case as there is not previous employer hence he was not member of PF ever, he can be excluded from PF.

Please note:

  • You need to get Form 11 signed from employee, in which employee will give declaration about his membership in PF in previous company.
  • Also company should have a policy in place to support above mentioned actions.

FAQ 2: Do we need to continue PF membership of employee whose wages become more than 15,000/- after increment?


An employee who is member of PF as his wage (Basic+DA) is less than or equal to 15,000 get increment and now his revised wage is more than 15,000, in that case, employee cannot be excluded from PF as he is already a member of PF. Hence he will continue to be member of PF.His PF contribution can be limited to 15,000 provided company policy allows that.

FAQ 3: Can an employer reduce wages of an employee, in relation to PF contribution?


As per PF Section 12, an employer cannot do so. But in case, employer is currently deducting PF on higher than prescribe limit of Rs 15,000/- and depositing the same to RPFC, in that case, employer can reduce and limit it to Rs 15,000/-.

FAQ 4: In my company, numbers of employees are less than 20. Can we also take volunteer PF Code and start contribution?


Yes. A company can apply for PF code even if the numbers of employees are less than 20. On reaching 20 or more, it is compulsory to take PF Code.

FAQ 5: There is some ambiguity whether to deduct PF on some of the salary components like arrear, Notice Pay, Leave Encashment etc or not?


We all are aware that PF should be deducted on Basic and DA. But we always have some ambiguity in terms of some components. Here are some clarifications:

PF deduction on wage arrears : Yes, PF should be deducted on arrear paid against component which fall under definition of wages.

PF deduction on Notice pay: No

PF deduction on leave encashment : No

PF deduction on pay for maternity benefit:  Yes

Suspension Allowance : No

Special Allowance : there is an ambiguity in this case. Hence I would advise not to keep this as part of your salary structure.


FAQ 6: Principal employer is liable to pay Provident fund of contractual employee?


Yes, Principal employer is liable to pay Provident Fund in case contractor defaults in doing so, hence principal employer should ensure that contractor should have a PF code and contribute towards PF of his employee working for principal employer. In case of non availability of PF code in name of contractor, principal employer can make contribution in its PF code.

FAQ 7:  Do Part time, Employee engaged through contractor, Trainee and Apprentice comes under PF act?


Part time employee : Yes

Employee engaged through contractor : Yes

Trainee : Yes

Apprentice under Apprentice Act : No

FAQ 8: Do education institutions comes under PF Act?


Yes

FAQ 9: Can I withdraw my previous company PF after joining some other company?


No, you can not. Although every next person changing the job withdraw PF of previous company but it is not allowed as per act. 

A person can only withdraw PF, when the person is without job at the time of applying for PF withdraw and 2 months have passed. In fact, it is clearly mentioned in PF Withdraw form i.e. Form 19 also. Currently, PF Office doesn’t have mechanism to track people changing job and withdrawing PF but in future with e commerce in place, it won’t be possible for people withdrawing PF while changing the job. As per law, you are supposed to transfer your existing PF in your new company using Form 13.

FAQ 10: Can I withdraw money from PF in between? If yes, for which cases?


Yes, you can withdraw partial money from PF in following cases .

1. Marriage or education of self, children or siblings 

  • You should have completed a minimum of seven years of service. 
  • The maximum amount you can draw is 50% of your contribution
  • You can avail of it three times in your working life.
  • You will have to submit the wedding invite or a certified copy of the fee payable. 

2. Medical treatment for Self or family (spouse, children, dependent parents) 

  • For major surgical operations or for TB, leprosy, paralysis, cancer, mental or heart ailments
  • The maximum amount you can draw is 6 times your salary
  • You must show proof of hospitalization for one month or more with leave certificate for that period from your employer. 

3. Repay a housing loan for a house in the name of self, spouse or owned jointly 

  • You should have completed at least 10 years of service.
  • You are eligible to withdraw an amount that is up to 36 times your wages. 

4. Alterations/repairs to an existing home for house in the name of self, spouse or jointly 

  • You need a minimum service of five years (10 years for repairs) after the house was built/bought.
  • You can draw up to 12 times the wages, only once. 

5. Construction or purchase of house or flat/site or plot for self or spouse or joint ownership 

  • You should have completed at least five years of service.
  • The maximum amount you can avail of is 36 times your wages. To buy a site or plot, the amount is 24 times your salary.
  • Can be avail of it just once during the entire service.

FAQ 11:  How to file RTI to get update on PF withdrawal or transfer status or PF balance?

You can get immediate answers to your grievances though RTI. You can refer below article to get more detail.


FAQ 12: What is VPF (Volunteer PF)?


You can contribute more than 12% of your Basic+DA in PF and get same interest on additional contribution. This is called VPF. Please note, employer need not to contribute the same amount in this case.

FAQ 13: What is EDLI (Employee Deposit linked Insurance)?


Very few people know that PF gives Life Insurance which is called EDLI. Contribution to EDLI is made by employer and employee does not contribute anything in EDLI. Employer need to contribute 0.5% of employee wage capped at 15,000/- per month to EDLI. Employee gets Life insurance coverage under EDLI.

Currently PF has increased maximum payout which is Rs 1.3 Lakhs in case of death. Click here to download the notification.

FAQ 14: Can Employer take insurance policy from insurance company to substitute EDLI?


Yes, Employer can take insurance policy to substitute EDLI.

Employer need to ensure that the benefits from insurance policy are much better than what employee can get from EDLI through PF. Eg. Sum insured in case of death should be more than 1.3 Lakhs. Employees of the company should be aware about it and should have no objection in this. You can approach any insurance company, which provide Group Term Life insurance. 

FAQ 15: What is the interest we get on PF?


This keep changing and you need to keep an eye on such announcement from time to time. It is declared by Central Govt.

FAQ 16: Provided Fund contribution is taxable income?


No

FAQ 17: Do expats need to contribute to PF?


Yes. Please refer notification received from PF on 01st October 2008. Download the notification.

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Anonymous said...

How many times we can withdraw the PF till now have changed 3 companies and done withdraw 3 times. Is there any restriction is there can't withdraw more than certain no. or not ?

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

Your salary slip may not have your PF number.

You can simply ask this from your HR department and get the same.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

If your company has not deposited your PF then you can not get PF.

You can get gratuity from your employer

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

If you withdraw your PF and new pf number get allocated to you in Company C then your previous contribution will be null and void.

For your information that PF has launched a scheme of unique number and because of it, PF withdraw will not be possible if your continue your job

Govind Singh Negi said...

dear Friend,

By the way, Pf withdrawal is wrong if you are still in service.

There is no such restriction on PF Withdrawal.

As per new PF scheme, Unique code will be allocated, hence PF withdrawal will not be possible if you are in continuous job

Anonymous said...

If the total salary of employee is 6500 whether we need to calculate PF on 6500 or whether we can calculate on Basic+ DA @ which will be around 50% of gross salary.

ravi kiran said...

Dear Negi,

I have a PF account opeened in my previous company. My new Company is not paying or deducting amount for my PF. Can I directly pay for my PF personally instead of paying it through my employer?

Please reply

Anonymous said...

Hi Mr.Govindi Negi,

How are you?

Thanks for your valuable Information on PF.

Plz help me with the below situation.

Case:-

i left the job on 2years back there is 18 months pf amount deposited but when i left the job i open another pf account intead of transfering the same. is it possible to transfer amount in my existing acount or i shud withraw pf from my previous employer. kindly suggest.

thanks
Kiran

Anonymous said...

How should one get emrolled to VPF, should the employer give that provision(just the provision not the contribution) to the employees?
Or is it like pPF, they can enroll independently?

Life!! said...

Dear Govind, Thank you for succinct yet very poignant inputs on PF.
I had a query and thanks in advance for your response.

My husband has an advertising firm but all employees in that firm are on a consultant basis. There are in all 30 consultants in all providing exclusive service to his company. The way it works is that an annual consulting contract is signed whereby on a monthly basis they raise bills to the firm. Monthly bill raised is (annual amt)/12. The firm when paying consultants deducts service tax if applicable and cuts TDS. Does such an arrangement come under the PF act.

Anonymous said...

Dear sir,
I have resingned from the job and not working since last 4 years.now I want to apply for pf returns.i want to know if interest will be paid for these 4 years.
thank you.

Anonymous said...

Hi, I am new in PF. My company deducts 780 from my basic pay of 12000. I have heard that same amount should be deposited by company in PF account. Is it true? Please answer me at chandraman2@yahoo.co.in.

Anonymous said...

Hi,

I am working in pvt ltd company i want to know i have 4 LIC policy i am paying 30,000 yearly, i am not able for PF contribution.

as per old PF rule 6500 basic employee come under PF deduction,but current PF rule from 1st sept 2014 if basic is below then 15000 basic employee come under PF deduction

If i am given in writing to my company for not deduction of PF so is this possible?

Unknown said...

Hello Govind,

Recently i was working in a private firm where i was getting 22000 rs per month. Company was deducting 780rs/pm for PF. When i resigned that firm(i.e. Samyakk) and asked for PF A/c number they given me wrong one. I checked it in official site but it wasn't existing. Now when i asked about this Company is agree to pay the amount what they had deducted from my salary. Can i file a complain against the employer? Can i ask for the amount that was supposed to be contributed by employer in my PF a/c? I worked there for 4 months. Actually they always provide wrong PF a/c number to thier employee. And if anyone take action in this maater they simply pay him the amount that has been deducted from his salary. Please suggest

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Anuradha,

you should calculate PF on Basic + DA. Please note Basic + DA should not be less than minimum wage of the stage to avoid future objection from PF.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Ravi,

There is no such option.

Rather you can go for PPF (Public provident fund). Here you can deposit amount individually.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Kiran,

I will recommend that you should transfer your previous pf in current PF Account.

You can also go for PF withdraw.

Govind Singh Negi said...

For Volunteer PF, employee should express his interest to employer in writing.

Employer will deduct the amount from employee Gross.

It is employer wish to contribute the same amount or not

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Life,

In such arrangement your company does not fall under PF.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

Interest will not be paid for 4 years when there was no contribution made in PF Account

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

As PF Wage limit has been increased to Rs 15K, company need to deduct and contribute PF on 12K

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

As PF Wage limit has been increased to Rs 15K, company need to deduct and contribute PF on 12K

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

If your Basic + DA is less than 15K then PF contribution is must.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Priyanka

Company is following a very wrong practice.

You should register complaint against company in PF office.

You are very much entitled for Employer PF contribution along with employee deduction

Unknown said...

Dear Sir
If an employee's salary has been announced to be increased in july w.e.f april and the arrear pf amount on that incremented salary has been paid in july itself,then whether any liability of interest on arrear pf arises on the part of employer.

Unknown said...

Hi..... I had re-joined same company after 4 months gap; will my last PF account be continued as earlier: if yes please suggest me the exact process.

Thanks -
Shivam Tiwari

Unknown said...

Hi,

In my previous company i had PF deduction.I joined a new company it is almost 1 year 6 months but there is no pf deduction.My query is can i contribute PF on my previous PF account number.if yes then please let me know the process


Regards,
Arun

revribhav said...

Corporate hatred against the innocent... Provident Fund continues to be forefeited of an honest human being (as a vendetta of exposing corruption /embezzlement of public money). http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Complaint-against-
provident-fund-forefeiture-89825.asp
https://twitter.com/revribhav

Anonymous said...

hi my name is suresh my company is given pf facility to workers not to staff i dont uderstand what is this please explain me

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Jyoti,

No PF Should not ask for any interest on such arr ear paid by employer.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Shivam,

Yes, the same PF Account number should continue.

You need not to do anything. Just inform your current employer about your existing PF Account. They will use the same account

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Arun,

No, you can not.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,


In eye of PF Act, there is no distinguish between a worker and staff member.

If an employee falls under PF as per law then PF should be deducted

Unknown said...

Dear Mr.Govind Negi,
Very informative. Thanks for your efforts and cause.

I have a question: How many minimum days an employee should work to pay PF contribution. Example- An employee joins and leave the job within 5 days. In such situation should be cover him under PF for just 5 days. Of course he may not withdraw that amount.
regards
Hemachandra

Anonymous said...

Hi.
Regd PF contribution, one matter is still not clear. Wheter I can reduce my PF contribution? earlier my PF was deducted Rs 5000.. my Q is wheter i can reduce my contribution to Rs 1800 (ie 12% of 15000)

Anonymous said...

i worked in a hospital for 3 year .The rule of the organisation is that any employee will eligible to get PF after one year or service and i was getting same after one year.Then after 3 year i resigned and worked in another place.Now i have rejoined the old place since 1 year.Now they are confused how should they treat me as a new comer or as old.Since such incident has not came before in the institute so they dont have definite rule for that.Should i am eligible for PF or i have to wait 1 year....pls send suggetion to
yourgyanu@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

Sir, my vpf is 12% in the years 2011,2012,2013 . now I'm getting salary arrears for the above said years, my query is , now is it possible to increase the vpf % for the above said
years so that the amount can deducted from my arrears.

Anonymous said...

hi sir,

i work in a trust which raises funds for running expenses and it has corpus funds too. we work around 6 member in it. we are paid less than 15000 per month based on the positions we held. will it be possible for if we get pf and other benefits

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Negi,

If you have salary where basic+DA is more than 6500 then What is beneficial, Salary with Pf deduction or without pf deduction? And Why?

Regards,
Sachin

Anonymous said...

right now I am having a Personal Provident Fund. Once I get the job, Can I use this account as EPF?

Anonymous said...

Dear Govind Sir,

I left Company A & joined Company B. I have transferred Company A PF to Company B PF account.

The PF of company A has been successfully transferred to Company B PF account. After transfer of PF I noticed from PF statement of Company A that they have not paid last month PF. Now PF account of Company A is settled. 

Please help me how I will get that 1 month PF amount from Company A?

Thank you! waiting for your valuable feedback

Regards,
Sandip Shinde

Rohit said...

Dear Sir
I have worked in a company for time frame of April 2010- December 2011, after 3 months of leaving the company i.e. in march 2012, i applied for my PF withdrawal but submitted only form 19.(Now here is the problem i submitted only form 19 but not form 10 c also, this was my 1st job and i was not familiar with nitty gritty of pf withdrawal). I have received the PF amount of 36000 in may 2012, but i am sure this is not the full amount which I shall be receiving, Now today in March 2015 can i claim my contribution of EPS against submission of form 10 c, my monthly PF deduction was around 1100-12000, So i calculated my EPS contribution will be around 3500-4000 for my working tenure of April 2010- December 2011. Kindly help
me .
Rohit Aggarwal
rohitaggarwal09@gmail.com

Shyam Raj said...

Hi Govind,

i have 2 queries.

1) i am just resigned & serving notice period with my employer after a succesful of 4 years service. when can i eligible to withdraw the amount? immidiate or any time gap??

2) i got an offer with MNC on contract base, through consultancy as permanent and payrol also on consultancy name. this consultancy is a CMM level3 company. so in salary discussion when i ask the consultancy to provide me PF, they said its optional from your salary. what they really mean??

awaiting for your reply...

thanks in advance..
Regards
Shyam

Anonymous said...

I am from mumbai...on which site should i check EPF Balance? unable to check my epf balance, as the website is unavailable.
Pf no: AP19329543.
Pls do the needful.

Akash said...

HI

I worked for more than 3.5 years in my previous company not had PF account. Now in my new company, I need to have PF account.So its 3 month I have joined my new company. Now when I ask them to create my EPF account, they say it can been created only at the time of joining and not in between as per statuary act.
Please let me know whether is there any policy that we cannot create EPF in between.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Hema,

Employee is eligible for PF from the first day of his joining. If an employee works for 5 days then company should make contribution for 5 days after allocating PF number to the person

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

PF contribution can not be reduced. There should be a very strong reason of doing so. Mostly, company do not do so.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear yourgyanu@gmail.com

First of all, please be informed that policy of your hospital to register an employee under PF after one year of services is not correct. As per PF act, an employee is eligible for PF since day one.

Hence, in your case as you have rejoined the same company you should be made member of PF from day one.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

If your basic is less than Rs 15,000 then you should be made member of PF. How many employees are there in your company?

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Sachin

I would highly recommend to be a member of PF. PF has many benefits which includes monthly forced saving with 8% interest. It secure your future at the time of retirement with monthly pension. In case of death family gets insurance benefits.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

PPF is separate then EPF

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Sandip,

you need to approach company A for the same. Ideally, you should be get PF Contribution for all months you worked for

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Rohit,

Yes, you can still claim the amount

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Shyam,

Ideally, PF Should only be withdrawn when a person complete age of 58 years or stop working anywhere.

In your case as you are going to join another company, PF withdrawal is not legal.

Still, some people withdraw their PF by showing them unemployed for 2 months which means you can not withdraw your PF before 2 months of leaving the job.

As per law, if an employee is member of PF, then he should continue to be a member of PF in next employment. Hence, your new company should make you a member of PF. There logic of keeping you out of PF is not correct.

Govind Singh Negi said...

Dear Friend,

Below is the website to check PF balance.

www.epfindia.com

Govind Singh Negi said...

Hi Akash,

Yes, you should have opted for PF At the time of joining only not in between

Shyam Raj said...

Thank you for the kind information govind....

Anonymous said...

Hi Sir,
I have worked with a company for almost 3 years and 9 months, now I am planning for my higher studies and hence I cannot contribute for the EPF now on. So as per the rules if I withdraw my PF before 5 years of continues work TDS is applicable but my question is, can I continue my PF account for the rest 1.3 years without paying the PF amount every month and withdraw the balance amount once 5 years is reached so that TDS will not be applied??
Waiting for your advise,
Thank you,

Unknown said...

Dear All,

I have basic salary more than 1500o, so my current organization is not making any deduction towards PF, as they told me that it is not mandatory for Basic above 15000.

Please advise.

Praveen

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir, I want to know that if a employee joins our organisation with more then 15000/- salary whether he will be eligible for pf deduction or not if..

In his previous organisation he was a member of pf but before joining the new organisation he has withdraw his pf.

Thank you.

Unknown said...

Hi Negi,

First of all thanks for the valuable information sharing.
I want to know that if the company structure monthly salary keeping special pay as part of gross monthly salary and says that pf emloyer contribution will be deducted out of employee salary as and when applicable. Then for almost 10 months company pays the amount without deducting any pf contribution since no oemplyees are less than 20, but after 10 months the no of employees exceed 20 and company wants to deduct both employer and employee contrbution from employee salary. Is it legalto do so? If not legal then what are the consequences for the company.

viji said...

I am a HR Head for an organization. We have 65% of basics deduction. My boss says, we should make it 50% of basics...... I do not find any law stopping from doing that..... Can someone help?

Humanity First said...

Dear Sir,In my previous company my PF was deducted regularly on monthly basis & recently i joined new company which has only 06 employees & company is still without PF number.I want to go for Volunteer PF deduction is it possible if company take new PF number.

Anonymous said...

In my company there is no PF deduction.

My employer is ready to start with PF only for me.

But If I left the company then there will again no PF deduction for any employee.

In that case employer need to give statement each month for not deducting PF as there is no employee?

Anonymous said...

Dear sir,
It's just been in month of January dat my of is been deducted n in March I left the job I do not hv my pf number d he didn't give n said I won't get of money back since it hasn't been six months? wot should I do?

as said...

I have worked as school teacher from 2006. Then I changed to 2 other schools also. I resigned the job on October 2015. I remitted PF contribution from october 2012 only. Then, can I get PF withdrawals for the full period of my service.

Steve said...

Govind I am working in an educational institution
My previous employer used to deduct pf. However, my current employer refuses to deduct or credit pf. What option do I have to enforce this statutory obligation

Steve said...

Govind I am working in an educational institution
My previous employer used to deduct pf. However, my current employer refuses to deduct or credit pf. What option do I have to enforce this statutory obligation

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